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Daniel's avatar

Really nice interview. Very interesting on the concept of incels being very low status men who lack internal locus of control and are probably very isolated which is something that they should go about fixing by stop being completely isolated, join any kind of community to get some status that's not the incel community and internal locus of control to get up and do things. Also the idea why paying for sex wouldn't be attractive to them, it's not about the sex itself it's about the status they lack and the fear and resentment of supposedly being a complete outsider. Also how the incel community is in itself a way of getting status of the bad kind by joining together to attack others on the net and see themselves and possessing a superior knowledge. I really like the idea of status as this hidden force and wonder if you have any books to recommend on this?

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Daniel's avatar

In general what Jacob said was almost always the best part of the text lol.

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Selfmaker's avatar

Very interesting conversation, thank you!

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Fool’s Errand's avatar

The absolute lengths society will go to to avoid admitting ugly men exist and their lives suck

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Granite's avatar

Unattractive, not just physically unappealing. Autistic guys have a lot of trouble with relationships, but they’re not all ugly.

It’s not that much better for the very unattractive women.

And yes. Inceldom is about validation and belonging. Not sex.

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Fool’s Errand's avatar

The bottom 20% of men have about the same ease of getting a relationship as like the bottom 1% of women. So I’m not sure where the ‘not much better’ is coming from.

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Granite's avatar

Most autistic women are sexually assaulted. I don’t think things get bad until you get to the bottom five percent. Bottom one percent have legal issues with consent; they’re not usually downloading Tinder or even owning smartphones or working jobs.

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Frank's avatar

Keep in mind that “incel” is the go-to insult used by feminists whenever a man pisses them off - say, by speaking out about men’s issues, and the damage caused by feminisn.

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